1 00:00:25,750 --> 00:00:11,970 [Music] 2 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:28,490 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:31,890 Willis your host and we have one of two 4 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:33,720 shows that we're putting up this week 5 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:38,460 and this guest is Bryce Zabel I'm going 6 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:39,960 to be talking about him in just a minute 7 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:42,720 these are face to face interviews that I 8 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:45,150 did at the UFO Congress now if you go to 9 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:47,550 our website podcast UFO calm you'll see 10 00:00:53,060 --> 00:00:51,090 that as one show with him and bill burns 11 00:00:55,969 --> 00:00:53,070 I decided to separate these two on 12 00:00:58,369 --> 00:00:55,979 YouTube because one person that may want 13 00:01:01,579 --> 00:00:58,379 to hear Bryce Sabol may not want to hear 14 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:01,589 bill burns talk about Tesla so they are 15 00:01:07,670 --> 00:01:04,979 two separate shows and anyway Bryce 16 00:01:09,649 --> 00:01:07,680 Sabol is such an amazing and brilliant 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:09,659 talent if you look at it as internet 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:12,090 movie database page or his Wikipedia 19 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:14,610 page it'll make your head spin 20 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:16,260 and that's not everything he's done 21 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:18,150 you've decided to remove some things not 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:21,360 to confuse people so he's uh seems like 23 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:23,250 a very busy guy and he's going to be 24 00:01:29,870 --> 00:01:25,920 talking about that UFOs Betty and Barney 25 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:29,880 Hill and a lot more so I hope you enjoy 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:31,590 the show and remember you can support us 27 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:33,810 for two dollars or more a month and that 28 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:35,430 informations right down in the text 29 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:41,930 Bryce welcome to the show it's my 30 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:44,640 pleasure to be here and I listen to you 31 00:01:50,390 --> 00:01:47,340 on Alejandro Rojas show we help each 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:50,400 other out really was very impressed it 33 00:01:54,110 --> 00:01:51,810 was great well thank you for saying that 34 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:54,120 Alejandro makes it pretty easy he's he's 35 00:01:57,140 --> 00:01:55,470 one of the world's great interviewers 36 00:01:58,910 --> 00:01:57,150 and he's a good friend as well so it's 37 00:02:00,340 --> 00:01:58,920 always fun to do that that's right he 38 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:00,350 said he's known you for many years 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:03,360 that's true although I like with many 40 00:02:07,340 --> 00:02:05,970 friendships at first it's a professional 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:07,350 thing and you know each other and then 42 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:08,970 you see each other enough times and 43 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:10,500 enough situations and then one day you 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:12,480 turn around and you go I guess we are 45 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:15,330 friends we're good friends we have to be 46 00:02:20,210 --> 00:02:18,209 at this yeah but I do love the guy he's 47 00:02:22,699 --> 00:02:20,220 fantastic he is he's got such a good 48 00:02:24,740 --> 00:02:22,709 heart terrific yeah can you tell the 49 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:24,750 listening audience is not familiar with 50 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:26,489 you you have an amazing background I 51 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:28,560 mean you've done all sorts of things I'm 52 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:30,959 I've done so many things that my agents 53 00:02:35,260 --> 00:02:32,489 used to say take that stuff off your 54 00:02:38,330 --> 00:02:35,270 resume make you look old don't do that 55 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:38,340 okay here's the short version I I 56 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:40,680 started out in television news I came to 57 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:43,140 Los Angeles as a CNN correspondent and 58 00:02:47,870 --> 00:02:45,660 that was a terrific gig I was the 59 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:47,880 original hard news correspondent in in 60 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:50,550 LA and you know worked as an 61 00:02:55,340 --> 00:02:52,560 investigative reporter in LA that kind 62 00:02:57,230 --> 00:02:55,350 of thing and then at a certain point I 63 00:03:00,200 --> 00:02:57,240 realized in order to stay in TV news I 64 00:03:02,660 --> 00:03:00,210 would probably end up having to sort of 65 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:02,670 become a news nomad I might be anchoring 66 00:03:08,090 --> 00:03:04,980 and ball in Baltimore or Buffalo or 67 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:08,100 whatever right now and my wife Jackie 68 00:03:12,230 --> 00:03:09,900 said you know have you ever thought of 69 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:12,240 writing a screenplay and I at the time I 70 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:14,310 said I've never even seen a screenplay I 71 00:03:18,020 --> 00:03:15,710 don't know what it looks like so I 72 00:03:20,060 --> 00:03:18,030 literally went down to Hollywood 73 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:20,070 Boulevard and bought a screenplay I took 74 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:21,930 it home and I said you know this looks 75 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:23,400 like I could do it because there aren't 76 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:25,200 that many adjectives and adverbs in it 77 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:27,090 you know it's pretty simple so I ended 78 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:28,770 up writing something that was they 79 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:30,210 always say write what you know so I 80 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:32,670 wrote Eng which was electronic 81 00:03:36,410 --> 00:03:34,080 newsgathering it was kind of a hill 82 00:03:38,270 --> 00:03:36,420 street news project and guess what 83 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:38,280 somebody bought it the Canadians they 84 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:39,900 made a hundred and eight episodes of it 85 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:41,550 the next thing I wrote became a 86 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:44,190 television series on CBS and like I said 87 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:46,410 to myself as long as they keep paying me 88 00:03:49,940 --> 00:03:48,209 to do this I'm going to keep doing this 89 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:49,950 and over the years they've kept paying 90 00:03:54,410 --> 00:03:52,560 me to do it so now you know 91 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:54,420 flash-forward today I look back on a 92 00:03:57,860 --> 00:03:55,680 career where I've been lucky enough to 93 00:03:59,840 --> 00:03:57,870 have received that created by on five 94 00:04:02,660 --> 00:03:59,850 television series and that's really 95 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:02,670 something I'm very proud of shows that 96 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:05,340 not not often shows you know these days 97 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:08,370 people don't see everything it's not 98 00:04:12,140 --> 00:04:10,650 like when there were three channels I've 99 00:04:13,729 --> 00:04:12,150 already saw everything so I don't expect 100 00:04:16,990 --> 00:04:13,739 anybody to know most of these credits 101 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:17,000 but I worked on Lois & Clark I worked on 102 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:21,120 life goes on I created or developed the 103 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:23,490 mantis TV series which was the first 104 00:04:30,650 --> 00:04:27,650 African American superhero on television 105 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:30,660 created dark skies for NBC which we may 106 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:34,980 talk about later and and did a number of 107 00:04:39,230 --> 00:04:37,500 shows like that during that time I also 108 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:39,240 got elected to be chairman of the 109 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:41,310 Academy of Television Arts and Sciences 110 00:04:45,620 --> 00:04:42,870 the place that gives out the Emmys and 111 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:45,630 guess what I got elected the month 112 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:49,090 before 9/11 and had just taken off 113 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:51,640 and had to lead the Academy and 114 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:53,770 cancelling the Emmys twice that year 115 00:04:58,770 --> 00:04:56,650 they've gone 49 years never canceled we 116 00:05:02,640 --> 00:04:58,780 did it twice so it got a little intense 117 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:02,650 these days I've still got a television 118 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:04,900 presence but my big thing is features I 119 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:07,990 have a big world war two true story that 120 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:10,000 should be out in 2019 called the last 121 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:11,890 battle about the last battle of world 122 00:05:16,860 --> 00:05:14,320 war two in your documentary no it's a 123 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:16,870 it's it's it's a big drama it's a 124 00:05:22,470 --> 00:05:20,350 feature action feature and it's terrific 125 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:22,480 I mean it's a turret you if we have time 126 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:24,160 I'll tell you the story about that and 127 00:05:29,250 --> 00:05:27,370 also in the world of UFOs which are 128 00:05:31,410 --> 00:05:29,260 certainly important on your show and I 129 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:31,420 want to be I want to talk about that I 130 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:33,190 have two features that are in 131 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:34,600 development right now that are really 132 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:37,120 interesting one of them has captured the 133 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:38,800 story of Betty and Barney Hill really 134 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:40,480 and the other is unidentified the story 135 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:42,970 if Stan Freedman and Don Schmidt racing 136 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:44,830 to break the Roswell story and I'm out 137 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:48,730 of breath that's amazing Wow I had no 138 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:51,670 idea I you know I thought I heard Kathy 139 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:55,270 Martin say something about a film and it 140 00:06:00,420 --> 00:05:56,950 must have been yours yes that's that's 141 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:00,430 the one and we're it's it's going to be 142 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:02,920 a terrific film when and if we get it 143 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:04,450 made it's hard to make anything you know 144 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:07,900 yeah the World War two movie the last 145 00:06:14,730 --> 00:06:10,030 battle that's going to be made has only 146 00:06:16,350 --> 00:06:14,740 taken me 14 years huh so so I mean and 147 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:16,360 and of course when it comes out I'll be 148 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:18,820 an overnight success with with the big 149 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:20,890 film but that's the way the Hollywood 150 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:24,580 works i think i remember i know betty 151 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:27,430 was still alive when the other film came 152 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:29,770 out she didn't like the person who 153 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:31,090 portrayed her which I I thought she 154 00:06:37,140 --> 00:06:32,590 actually that was a good actress I can't 155 00:06:39,420 --> 00:06:37,150 remember her name but where do you know 156 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:39,430 if they were happy with how that film 157 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:40,810 came out I don't know if I ever had that 158 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:44,250 conference let's set the table for that 159 00:06:50,490 --> 00:06:48,550 there was one film made in 1975 called 160 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:50,500 the interrupted well no it was based on 161 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:51,970 the book the interrupted journey yeah 162 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:53,980 but it was called on NBC it was a movie 163 00:06:58,410 --> 00:06:56,530 of the week the UFO incident yeah I am 164 00:07:00,060 --> 00:06:58,420 NOT redoing that I'm not remaking that 165 00:07:02,110 --> 00:07:00,070 movie that's just the movie that was 166 00:07:04,270 --> 00:07:02,120 made and it was 167 00:07:05,710 --> 00:07:04,280 I can't remember the name of the actress 168 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:05,720 right now but I do know that James Earl 169 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:08,270 Jones right played Barney yes it's not a 170 00:07:12,129 --> 00:07:10,850 good film in retrospect you look at it 171 00:07:14,409 --> 00:07:12,139 the aliens are in little plastic 172 00:07:17,379 --> 00:07:14,419 costumes and it's not frightening and 173 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:17,389 and it's it's definitely not the way we 174 00:07:22,270 --> 00:07:19,630 would choose to tell that story today so 175 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:22,280 I've always been passionate about that 176 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:24,050 story on the dark skies series I 177 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:26,510 actually did a Betty and Barney Hill a 178 00:07:31,719 --> 00:07:29,510 sequence that I'm really proud of it's a 179 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:31,729 it's a clip I have on YouTube right now 180 00:07:38,820 --> 00:07:35,300 but it's it's a it it stoked the fires 181 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:38,830 for me so that when Stanton Friedman and 182 00:07:45,159 --> 00:07:43,250 Cathy Mardon wrote the book captured I 183 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:45,169 immediately wanted to option it because 184 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:47,570 I thought that would be new material to 185 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:49,280 base something on and I could make a 186 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:52,370 modern movie about Betty and Barney Hill 187 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:54,560 and and I think probably many of your 188 00:07:58,870 --> 00:07:56,930 listeners know the story but just in in 189 00:08:00,939 --> 00:07:58,880 short what's brilliant about the Betty 190 00:08:04,210 --> 00:08:00,949 and Barney Hill case is it happened in 191 00:08:06,339 --> 00:08:04,220 1961 these are the first people in the 192 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:06,349 United States to publicly claimed that 193 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:07,970 they were abducted by aliens 194 00:08:12,969 --> 00:08:10,580 they were interracial Barney was black 195 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:12,979 Betty was white they're the first couple 196 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:15,590 ever to be hypnotized to find out what 197 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:17,510 happened to them what I particularly 198 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:19,940 love about it because you can't just 199 00:08:24,219 --> 00:08:22,010 sell an outright UFO true story these 200 00:08:27,370 --> 00:08:24,229 days or maybe you can I'd be happy to 201 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:27,380 try but this one has a hook which is 202 00:08:33,149 --> 00:08:30,130 Betty and Barney Hill being interracial 203 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:33,159 we're an interracial couple at a time 204 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:36,560 when that was a very big deal in America 205 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,260 yes and the only people who seemed not 206 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:41,360 to care about their color of their skin 207 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:43,550 were the aliens who treated them the 208 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:46,880 same and to me that's that's kind of an 209 00:08:54,670 --> 00:08:51,529 interesting thing and also captured is 210 00:08:58,570 --> 00:08:54,680 set in the timeframe of the early 60s 211 00:09:02,290 --> 00:08:58,580 where let's face it the Cold War was in 212 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:02,300 full flame and they lived very close to 213 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:04,310 Pease Air Force Base which was America's 214 00:09:09,790 --> 00:09:06,410 tip of the spear in the nuclear bomber 215 00:09:12,670 --> 00:09:09,800 business so you have to take all of that 216 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:12,680 into context and say did the Cold War 217 00:09:15,850 --> 00:09:15,050 did nuclear weapons did any of this play 218 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:15,860 a part 219 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:17,930 in their kidnapping or was it literally 220 00:09:21,550 --> 00:09:19,519 just they got plucked out of the White 221 00:09:24,610 --> 00:09:21,560 Mountains and taken aboard a spacecraft 222 00:09:26,199 --> 00:09:24,620 yeah I grew up in that area actually oh 223 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:26,209 you did about six miles away from 224 00:09:30,819 --> 00:09:28,100 Portsmouth New Hampshire you know what 225 00:09:33,579 --> 00:09:30,829 my wife Jackie and I literally went to 226 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:33,589 New Hampshire last year and we went up 227 00:09:43,269 --> 00:09:41,590 Manhattan that developed now but it was 228 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:43,279 really not that developed at all back 229 00:09:49,870 --> 00:09:45,829 then and to be driving home through the 230 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:49,880 mountains in the dark back in 1961 would 231 00:09:54,819 --> 00:09:51,950 have to be frightening on its own and 232 00:09:57,340 --> 00:09:54,829 then to have strange lights following 233 00:09:59,380 --> 00:09:57,350 you and then craft land in front of you 234 00:10:01,360 --> 00:09:59,390 and and then have experienced the first 235 00:10:03,340 --> 00:10:01,370 missing time that anybody ever claimed 236 00:10:06,190 --> 00:10:03,350 to have experienced it's a powerful 237 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:06,200 story and and I really I very much look 238 00:10:11,079 --> 00:10:09,110 forward to making it well I had I guess 239 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:11,089 you call my so-called the bunker or a 240 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:13,250 skeptic of the Betty and Barney Hills 241 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:18,170 story on I let people you know say there 242 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:18,920 sure thing 243 00:10:23,949 --> 00:10:21,230 so he was on and basically what he was 244 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:23,959 saying didn't hold water and actually 245 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:26,570 Cathy called in also Lee Spiegel called 246 00:10:32,530 --> 00:10:30,740 in and he said well what about the 247 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:32,540 Project Blue Book file that I actually 248 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:34,670 held in my hand that said things were 249 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:37,730 going on you know Peter he's got radar 250 00:10:41,889 --> 00:10:39,769 on it you know and I think there was 251 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:41,899 some other another radar you know there 252 00:10:48,490 --> 00:10:46,850 was a there's a lot that you know I can 253 00:10:50,199 --> 00:10:48,500 understand there was a couple things 254 00:10:53,139 --> 00:10:50,209 that I can understand why skeptic would 255 00:10:54,759 --> 00:10:53,149 would say because I have seen you know 256 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:54,769 one of the things is the light on Cannon 257 00:11:00,340 --> 00:10:55,850 Mountain don't know if you ever heard 258 00:11:02,110 --> 00:11:00,350 that right that type of thing 259 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:02,120 I have seen actually where lights on the 260 00:11:05,980 --> 00:11:03,680 mountain do seem like they're following 261 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:05,990 you but still there was just so many 262 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:08,000 other parts to this thing that well 263 00:11:12,610 --> 00:11:10,490 there is certainly a substantial amount 264 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:12,620 of corroborating evidence and and I 265 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:16,130 think it has led most people to say if 266 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:19,310 there is a great case or alien abduction 267 00:11:25,090 --> 00:11:22,970 this might be one of them but again if 268 00:11:27,670 --> 00:11:25,100 you're telling it as a film story and 269 00:11:29,260 --> 00:11:27,680 it's not a documentary all right and 270 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:29,270 it's it's not the book if you want to 271 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:29,720 know the 272 00:11:35,829 --> 00:11:32,689 tails read Stan and Kathy's book if you 273 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:35,839 you know if I felt like my mission was 274 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:38,660 to educate people only I would make a 275 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:40,850 documentary I'm making it an 276 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:43,610 entertainment product that happens to be 277 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:46,610 based on a true story so for me it still 278 00:11:51,550 --> 00:11:49,490 remains a mystery as this as this film 279 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:51,560 begins because there are other options 280 00:11:55,629 --> 00:11:53,689 there are other things that can induce 281 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:55,639 people to report certain things and 282 00:11:59,499 --> 00:11:57,529 let's face it the Russians could have 283 00:12:02,800 --> 00:11:59,509 been flying around out there 284 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:02,810 penetrating defenses near peace Air 285 00:12:08,050 --> 00:12:05,870 Force Base they could have had an event 286 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:08,060 maybe they were attacked by racists in 287 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:09,500 the middle of the night and it was such 288 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:11,360 a terrible event they went into a fugue 289 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:12,769 state I mean there there are things that 290 00:12:18,220 --> 00:12:14,480 people have talked about or they could 291 00:12:20,139 --> 00:12:18,230 have been part of MKULTRA snagged by 292 00:12:23,860 --> 00:12:20,149 MKULTRA because let's face it they were 293 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:23,870 coming from montreal montreal in 1961 294 00:12:29,769 --> 00:12:26,689 was the home base of America's MKULTRA 295 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:29,779 mind alteration location so there's a 296 00:12:34,090 --> 00:12:32,420 lot of interesting other theories to 297 00:12:35,499 --> 00:12:34,100 weave into it yeah and then of course we 298 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:35,509 do come to a conclusion but I'm not 299 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:37,610 telling you what that is right you know 300 00:12:40,540 --> 00:12:39,170 what I'd love to see made into a film 301 00:12:42,249 --> 00:12:40,550 someday and I don't know if you've 302 00:12:44,410 --> 00:12:42,259 looked into it at all is the allagash 303 00:12:47,439 --> 00:12:44,420 incidents it's it would be a great film 304 00:12:49,780 --> 00:12:47,449 I think the the problem that I have is 305 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:49,790 just that there are so many there's so 306 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:51,290 many that would be a great film and 307 00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:54,110 while I have to right now captured that 308 00:12:58,540 --> 00:12:55,279 we've been talking about and 309 00:13:00,220 --> 00:12:58,550 unidentified the Roswell film I think I 310 00:13:03,490 --> 00:13:00,230 would do a disservice to either of those 311 00:13:05,259 --> 00:13:03,500 to cast my eye outward at this point 312 00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:05,269 because what I I'm trying to stay in 313 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:08,000 order to sell a film man you just have 314 00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:10,850 to be laser-focused sure and so what I'm 315 00:13:16,269 --> 00:13:13,519 trying to do is just keep my mind and in 316 00:13:19,449 --> 00:13:16,279 the game lie on the ball yep I want to 317 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:19,459 sell those two because I think it's it's 318 00:13:26,949 --> 00:13:23,480 2018 we're coming off the hot news of 319 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:26,959 the New York Times article ricocheting 320 00:13:31,629 --> 00:13:29,600 around the world and well I think 321 00:13:33,999 --> 00:13:31,639 Hollywood has traditionally embraced 322 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:34,009 more of the alien invasion and the let's 323 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:36,050 just make some stuff up and put it out 324 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:40,220 there variety I think and I'm betting 325 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:42,170 the farm on it to be honest with you I 326 00:13:45,670 --> 00:13:43,610 think it is possible 327 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:45,680 that we may be pivoting even in 328 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:47,510 Hollywood to where there might be a 329 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:49,310 market for some of these true life 330 00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:51,110 stories as you mentioned the allegations 331 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:53,480 and the incident and also Betty and 332 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Barney and Roswell for these two sort of 333 00:13:59,199 --> 00:13:57,050 come alive in a new dramatic way because 334 00:14:01,389 --> 00:13:59,209 I think people are talking about this 335 00:14:03,370 --> 00:14:01,399 topic in a serious way that they haven't 336 00:14:06,970 --> 00:14:03,380 talked about in quite a long time I do 337 00:14:09,069 --> 00:14:06,980 too and it's not it's not everyone that 338 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,079 is as and what I mean by that I know 339 00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:11,360 there's been over a hundred news reports 340 00:14:18,370 --> 00:14:14,029 on major news station segments I should 341 00:14:18,850 --> 00:14:18,380 say on this but I I told the story the 342 00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:18,860 other night 343 00:14:26,259 --> 00:14:20,360 I'll just tell it to you real briefly I 344 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:26,269 was on the plane next to a retired f-18 345 00:14:32,110 --> 00:14:29,600 Hornet pilot he the story starts out 346 00:14:34,329 --> 00:14:32,120 great already yeah yeah he's now an 347 00:14:38,319 --> 00:14:34,339 American Airlines pilot commercial pilot 348 00:14:40,449 --> 00:14:38,329 and right away he said I said to him did 349 00:14:43,870 --> 00:14:40,459 you hear about the UFO and the Pentagon 350 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:43,880 you know a secret program for UFOs 351 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:47,060 and he goes no like that so there's a 352 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:48,230 lot of people that didn't hear about it 353 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:50,270 and then he go to loot Li but but then 354 00:14:53,620 --> 00:14:52,490 he said but I know they're real and it 355 00:14:55,870 --> 00:14:53,630 says and I'll tell you why he had an 356 00:14:58,300 --> 00:14:55,880 encounter and you know the first thing 357 00:14:59,500 --> 00:14:58,310 he socked himself and I know I said this 358 00:15:01,210 --> 00:14:59,510 on the show the other night he stopped 359 00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:01,220 himself and he said you don't think I'm 360 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:04,160 crazy do you you know and then when I 361 00:15:08,170 --> 00:15:05,510 asked him to be on my show and tell us 362 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:08,180 or was a green orb lit up his part his 363 00:15:12,699 --> 00:15:10,310 cockpit and everything I asked him if 364 00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:12,709 he'd be on the show he said absolutely 365 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:15,350 not oh and then I said would you be on 366 00:15:17,230 --> 00:15:16,700 the show anonymous he goes I'll think 367 00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,240 about it 368 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:19,760 that's too bad because I honestly think 369 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:22,250 that's that's old school thinking 370 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:25,220 new-school thinking is we're all 371 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:26,810 starting to realize this truth that 372 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:29,810 approximately at the same time and it's 373 00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:31,550 incumbent upon those of us who have a 374 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:34,399 piece of the mosaic to not only put the 375 00:15:38,139 --> 00:15:36,110 piece of the mosaic out there for others 376 00:15:42,939 --> 00:15:38,149 to judge but to put our own names out 377 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:42,949 there so that the the actual reports 378 00:15:48,699 --> 00:15:44,990 that we're talking about can be 379 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:48,709 evaluated anonymous sources are never 380 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:51,350 the primary way to do it when you read 381 00:15:56,290 --> 00:15:53,690 an anonymous source a newspaper it's 382 00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:56,300 never as good as apart I don't know that 383 00:16:00,160 --> 00:15:57,529 he has any reason 384 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:00,170 to fear people don't seem to be knocking 385 00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:03,889 off witnesses who just see a UFO so but 386 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:05,360 the airline industry is a little bit 387 00:16:09,610 --> 00:16:08,060 different it is true yeah it is true the 388 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:09,620 FAA I mean you can't agree they don't 389 00:16:14,170 --> 00:16:11,569 even want to deal with they want to deal 390 00:16:16,239 --> 00:16:14,180 with it but but again is he actively a 391 00:16:17,739 --> 00:16:16,249 pilot now he was like jump seeding or 392 00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:17,749 whatever okay well then that that makes 393 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:20,240 a certain amount of sense I you know a 394 00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:22,459 few years back Richard Dolan and I 395 00:16:25,179 --> 00:16:24,350 co-wrote a book called the ad after 396 00:16:27,549 --> 00:16:25,189 disclosure 397 00:16:29,319 --> 00:16:27,559 oh you're right yeah there's no wrote 398 00:16:31,150 --> 00:16:29,329 that of course and and we were 399 00:16:33,730 --> 00:16:31,160 projecting what the world will be like 400 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:33,740 after we all acknowledge that this is 401 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:35,209 true and one of the things we were 402 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:39,350 talking about you know Richard is a font 403 00:16:44,489 --> 00:16:41,930 of vast information he's probably our 404 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:44,499 preeminent researcher in his his mind is 405 00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:46,670 encyclopedic on this topic so he's 406 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:48,920 fabulous in that regard what I tried to 407 00:16:53,439 --> 00:16:51,370 bring to it was to do a little of that 408 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:53,449 precognition of what the future might 409 00:16:58,619 --> 00:16:55,910 look like here's one for you on the 410 00:17:01,960 --> 00:16:58,629 airline industry there will be lawsuits 411 00:17:03,970 --> 00:17:01,970 because once a government acknowledges 412 00:17:05,710 --> 00:17:03,980 in any serious way that some of these 413 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,720 things that were flying around are real 414 00:17:10,809 --> 00:17:08,000 then what about the pilots 415 00:17:13,779 --> 00:17:10,819 that reported a UFO that people actually 416 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:13,789 knew were real but instead those pilots 417 00:17:16,929 --> 00:17:15,740 were suspended because nobody would come 418 00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:16,939 forward to tell about it 419 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:19,039 and they were taken off flight status 420 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,230 for three years well their careers were 421 00:17:25,059 --> 00:17:23,120 damaged they were damaged they'll be 422 00:17:26,919 --> 00:17:25,069 suing somebody I mean that kind of thing 423 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:26,929 is going to happen so when you think 424 00:17:31,810 --> 00:17:28,520 about how the world's gonna change after 425 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:31,820 disclosure of some kind it isn't just 426 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:34,880 the things that you might think it's the 427 00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:36,770 things that are going to happen are the 428 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:38,240 things that are already embedded in our 429 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:38,870 culture 430 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:40,730 we're litigious we're gonna sue each 431 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:42,830 other over this thing yeah right so it's 432 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:44,870 gonna be very interesting yeah and you 433 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:48,770 know that jl6 yes 20 great example you 434 00:17:54,730 --> 00:17:51,140 know on a desk job great example that 435 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,740 person has an actionable case yeah yeah 436 00:17:59,470 --> 00:17:56,960 well I never thought of that that part 437 00:18:02,020 --> 00:17:59,480 of it I have said many times in the show 438 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:02,030 a number of times I've said if the 439 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:03,350 government would never really admit it 440 00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:04,730 or they'd have a hard time admitting it 441 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:07,100 because there's so many things you know 442 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:09,470 that they've hidden or well they made it 443 00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:11,120 harder they've certainly made it hard 444 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:11,360 too 445 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:14,510 by virtue of the increasing length of 446 00:18:21,730 --> 00:18:19,070 the silence at the beginning say say the 447 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:21,740 people had come clean in the mid-50s I 448 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:23,809 think you could make an argument folks 449 00:18:27,549 --> 00:18:25,850 were in the middle of cold war right and 450 00:18:29,289 --> 00:18:27,559 we needed to get a handle on some of 451 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:29,299 this before we brought you in on 452 00:18:32,890 --> 00:18:31,370 everything right so you could you could 453 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:32,900 actually say well that's what I expect 454 00:18:37,090 --> 00:18:34,370 my government to do they're supposed to 455 00:18:40,930 --> 00:18:37,100 be watching my back but with every year 456 00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,940 and now we're 70 years past Roswell for 457 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:43,280 example if you come clean on that right 458 00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:43,700 now 459 00:18:48,730 --> 00:18:46,070 and you knew about it then that means 460 00:18:49,210 --> 00:18:48,740 you have been lying by omission for 70 461 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:49,220 years 462 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:51,980 well what person in government wants to 463 00:18:56,590 --> 00:18:54,290 make that admission yes and what citizen 464 00:18:58,780 --> 00:18:56,600 is going to think fondly of government 465 00:19:00,190 --> 00:18:58,790 that knew this and didn't tell us about 466 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:00,200 it I don't think that I think there's a 467 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:02,690 lot of people not thinking fondly these 468 00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:05,090 days anyway well that's that's very true 469 00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:09,559 but these are in under normal times and 470 00:19:14,110 --> 00:19:11,870 even in the age of Trump we have to 471 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:14,120 still put it in the category of normal 472 00:19:18,460 --> 00:19:16,580 times it even though it's extreme it's 473 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:18,470 still somewhat normal that political 474 00:19:22,690 --> 00:19:19,970 parties are going to position themselves 475 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:22,700 and fight and all that what ad is going 476 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:25,970 to do is create a less normal time I'm 477 00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:28,820 not saying it's going to be devastating 478 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:31,640 it remains whether it's devastating or 479 00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:33,380 not depends on who they are what they 480 00:19:38,350 --> 00:19:35,059 want and and you know why they're here 481 00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,360 yeah and whether we're safe yeah so I 482 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,640 don't know the answers to that and I'm 483 00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:42,320 not sure the government totally knows 484 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:43,790 but they they certainly have a better 485 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:46,130 idea than you and I do right now because 486 00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:47,809 they've got gun camera footage and 487 00:19:53,169 --> 00:19:49,790 they've got cases and that kind of thing 488 00:19:55,810 --> 00:19:53,179 so it'll be extreme you know the way I 489 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:55,820 like to look at disclosure I'm sure many 490 00:20:00,490 --> 00:19:57,650 people who are listening have seen dr. 491 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:00,500 Strangelove yeah okay and the the 492 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:03,350 character played by George C Scott is 493 00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:05,929 general buck turgidson and he's he's 494 00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:08,030 making the argument for nuclear war 495 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:10,520 right and they're saying my god nuclear 496 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:12,590 war that's terrible and what does he say 497 00:20:17,710 --> 00:20:14,390 I'm not saying we're not gonna get our 498 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:17,720 hair mussed okay so I'm not saying we're 499 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:19,250 not gonna get our hair mussed it you 500 00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:20,990 know when when we finally acknowledge 501 00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:24,350 this it's going to be a rocky time for a 502 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:25,220 period of time 503 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:27,950 for sure but but that doesn't cut 504 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:29,929 anybody any slack for not doing it it's 505 00:20:34,990 --> 00:20:32,690 time yeah yeah and I don't I don't think 506 00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:35,000 the world per se is you know going to 507 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:37,100 change and I don't know what you stated 508 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:38,570 in that book of your guesses of what 509 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:40,340 would happen financially with the stock 510 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:42,470 market and all that but yeah we did we 511 00:20:47,049 --> 00:20:44,090 went into all of that I mean I'm very 512 00:20:50,370 --> 00:20:47,059 very proud of AD after disclosure it's 513 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:50,380 just I think it stands up very well 514 00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:53,600 today and that as an example we thought 515 00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,880 of all of that stuff and let's ride to 516 00:21:01,450 --> 00:20:57,679 fund it oh it was it was a great brain 517 00:21:04,419 --> 00:21:01,460 puzzle but we tried to find antecedents 518 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:04,429 or precedents for things that that would 519 00:21:08,289 --> 00:21:06,110 happen so for example what happened 520 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:08,299 after 9/11 what did we do with the stock 521 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:11,150 market we shut it down for a week okay 522 00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:14,390 so I would say a they'll shut the stock 523 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:16,190 market down right because it would 524 00:21:22,570 --> 00:21:19,130 fluctuate too wildly and Allah probably 525 00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:22,580 shut it down for a week during the 526 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:24,500 Depression Roosevelt declared a bank 527 00:21:29,890 --> 00:21:25,190 holiday 528 00:21:31,659 --> 00:21:29,900 mean we will do the government that 529 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:31,669 we're will start to suspect has been 530 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:33,890 lying to us it's still going to be the 531 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:36,020 only ones around who can stabilize 532 00:21:40,930 --> 00:21:38,870 certain things like markets and money 533 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:40,940 policy so we're going to have to use 534 00:21:50,649 --> 00:21:44,510 them because they're all we've got right 535 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:50,659 right and as far as as far as like unity 536 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:52,370 in the world you know you I'm sure you 537 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:54,110 heard Reagan say of course four or five 538 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:54,530 times 539 00:21:58,270 --> 00:21:56,390 yeah that's saying do you think they 540 00:22:00,430 --> 00:21:58,280 change anything in the unity in the 541 00:22:02,770 --> 00:22:00,440 world or do you think it would well 542 00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:02,780 let's face it the same it's a good 543 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:06,080 question and during smart people can 544 00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:08,690 disagree but here's how I would look at 545 00:22:13,870 --> 00:22:11,390 it on one point of analysis if you look 546 00:22:15,789 --> 00:22:13,880 at the entire world right now certainly 547 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,799 there are people in different countries 548 00:22:19,659 --> 00:22:17,840 that understand the truth or reality of 549 00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:19,669 what we're facing it isn't just the 550 00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:21,380 United States right there's people in 551 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,390 Russia there's people in China there's 552 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:25,280 people in France and Germany there's 553 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:26,510 people all over the world that 554 00:22:34,289 --> 00:22:30,049 understand this and it hasn't made war 555 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:34,299 stop right it hasn't made trade wars and 556 00:22:39,070 --> 00:22:38,000 it there are still issues between 557 00:22:43,149 --> 00:22:39,080 countries so 558 00:22:45,399 --> 00:22:43,159 while it may provide us some unity it's 559 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:45,409 probably not a panacea and isn't going 560 00:22:49,899 --> 00:22:47,510 to solve all problems we're not gonna 561 00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:49,909 sing Kumbaya just because somebody says 562 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:51,860 there's aliens that have been visiting 563 00:22:58,330 --> 00:22:56,240 us but I would say this if you really we 564 00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,340 don't know a lot we don't know what we 565 00:23:03,310 --> 00:23:00,799 should know we have enough to guess so I 566 00:23:06,430 --> 00:23:03,320 always try to ask myself what is it that 567 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:06,440 we can say for sure you know with 70 568 00:23:10,539 --> 00:23:08,570 years in on this thing are there are 569 00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:10,549 there any things that we can say for 570 00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:12,500 sure I think there are two things we can 571 00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:14,750 say the first thing is guess in my head 572 00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:17,630 okay you do the first thing we can say 573 00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:21,230 based on the the reports of the pilots 574 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:23,179 and things that you talked about and the 575 00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:24,820 photos and the videos and the 576 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:27,260 first-person accounts and the radar at 577 00:23:32,259 --> 00:23:29,990 least some of the things that are flying 578 00:23:34,779 --> 00:23:32,269 around in our skies today are from 579 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,789 someplace that isn't here and they're 580 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:37,840 being piloted by somebody that isn't us 581 00:23:43,450 --> 00:23:40,490 I've more or less got it right some of 582 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:43,460 that one okay now number two is if 583 00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,950 there's one thing that we can say that 584 00:23:51,129 --> 00:23:48,559 we agree with the others I'll call these 585 00:23:52,899 --> 00:23:51,139 others because they may not be 586 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:52,909 extraterrestrial they may be extra 587 00:23:56,529 --> 00:23:55,070 dimensional or God time travelers who 588 00:23:58,899 --> 00:23:56,539 knows what they are we don't really know 589 00:24:02,350 --> 00:23:58,909 but if there's one thing that humans 590 00:24:03,879 --> 00:24:02,360 agree with the others on it's this that 591 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:03,889 it should remain a secret 592 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:06,830 now think about that it's self-evident 593 00:24:12,009 --> 00:24:10,190 if we didn't want it to be a secret we 594 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,019 could hold the news conference and we 595 00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:14,000 could say by the way that UFO stuff yeah 596 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:15,799 man that's all real but we haven't done 597 00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:19,010 it nobody's done it right and if the 598 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:21,080 others thought we should know what was 599 00:24:24,970 --> 00:24:22,820 going on they literally could have 600 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,980 landed on the White House lawn they 601 00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,960 could have made an announcement they 602 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:29,120 could have shown themselves over every 603 00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:31,070 major city at the same time or whatever 604 00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:33,860 it was - they could have taken over the 605 00:24:37,779 --> 00:24:35,990 airwaves they could have done a thousand 606 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:37,789 things to announce their presence but 607 00:24:43,419 --> 00:24:39,950 they haven't right so we know for a fact 608 00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,429 that we agree that our leaders anyway 609 00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:45,919 agree with the others that we should 610 00:24:51,639 --> 00:24:48,279 keep the whole thing quiet for a while 611 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:51,649 yeah the thing you said a minute ago a 612 00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:52,850 few minutes ago yeah 613 00:24:58,690 --> 00:24:55,430 the three I think it was three questions 614 00:25:01,660 --> 00:24:58,700 yeah yeah who are they what do they want 615 00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:01,670 are we safe are we safe all those are 616 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:05,480 very very important and I've pondered 617 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:08,030 you know how much does the government 618 00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:10,010 actually know right what part of the 619 00:25:14,110 --> 00:25:11,900 government actually knows you know what 620 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:14,120 compartmentalized section of the 621 00:25:22,150 --> 00:25:18,140 government do they know any of those I 622 00:25:24,130 --> 00:25:22,160 think they have slightly at least at the 623 00:25:26,890 --> 00:25:24,140 very least they have slightly more 624 00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:26,900 informed answers than we do guess is it 625 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,030 rather instead of answers I think you 626 00:25:35,290 --> 00:25:32,480 could argue on who are they they have a 627 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:35,300 slightly better answer than we do and 628 00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:37,010 that they may it sounds like they've got 629 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:39,380 some crash wreckage sounds like they've 630 00:25:43,630 --> 00:25:41,210 had a few bodies or whatever 631 00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:43,640 sounds like there's been a better gun 632 00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:45,830 camera footage and things like that so 633 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:48,800 they have a slightly at minimum better 634 00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:50,810 idea of who they are as to what they 635 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:53,750 want now that's the $64,000 question 636 00:25:59,380 --> 00:25:55,970 because you and I aren't talking to any 637 00:26:02,020 --> 00:25:59,390 aliens Yeah right so then it's only 638 00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:02,030 anecdotal which leads you to question 639 00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:04,670 three are we safe which is frankly the 640 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:06,920 big one the only reason to justify 641 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:09,170 secrecy would be the sense that we're 642 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:11,450 not safe and they're trying to get a 643 00:26:17,380 --> 00:26:14,630 handle on it yeah and and people 644 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:17,390 disagree you do have giant groups that 645 00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:19,370 believe they're kind of cosmic space 646 00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:21,740 brothers communic communing with us and 647 00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:24,950 all that maybe but then you also have 648 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:27,230 people who say like you know David 649 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:29,410 Jacobs has said this thing has a whole 650 00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:34,000 nasty edge to it so and maybe it's both 651 00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:37,430 one thing we know and I've never tried 652 00:26:40,450 --> 00:26:38,900 to quote this person because I've seen 653 00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,460 the quote attributed to three different 654 00:26:45,610 --> 00:26:42,880 people but this is a physicist who said 655 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:45,620 the universe is not only stranger than 656 00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:47,780 we imagined it is stranger than we can 657 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:49,790 imagine now if you take that to heart 658 00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:52,580 and apply it to the UFO thing that is 659 00:26:58,270 --> 00:26:55,400 one possibility for why this is such a 660 00:27:01,840 --> 00:26:58,280 vexing secret that has plagued society 661 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:01,850 for so long and it may be that a 662 00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,830 collection of reasonably good people 663 00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:06,559 over time have made the decision 664 00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,320 try to keep it bundled up while they 665 00:27:13,749 --> 00:27:11,120 work on it that's possible that's the 666 00:27:16,419 --> 00:27:13,759 nicest interpretation another 667 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,429 interpretation is simply that you know 668 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:18,320 some people like Steven Greer would like 669 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:19,850 us to believe it's because they have 670 00:27:23,499 --> 00:27:22,129 energy so it's gonna create new energy 671 00:27:24,249 --> 00:27:23,509 sources and that's why they don't want 672 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:24,259 to talk about it 673 00:27:31,749 --> 00:27:27,740 maybe maybe it but I think the other 674 00:27:34,539 --> 00:27:31,759 reason would be we can't stop them from 675 00:27:37,299 --> 00:27:34,549 doing what they're doing and we suspect 676 00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,309 their agenda isn't particularly Pro 677 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:39,919 humanity and who would want to make that 678 00:27:46,629 --> 00:27:43,129 announcement right I also think that if 679 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:46,639 the government didn't know if they were 680 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:49,129 safe or not safe it would still be the 681 00:27:53,769 --> 00:27:51,980 same problem yeah you know the mystery 682 00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:53,779 right whether they are safer but you 683 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:55,720 know here's the thing 684 00:28:01,299 --> 00:27:58,369 when I was chairman of the TV Academy we 685 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:01,309 had a saying all of us together are 686 00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,369 smarter than any one of us so we applied 687 00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:06,080 that to the cancelling of the Emmys 688 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:08,179 right it could have been my decision as 689 00:28:11,409 --> 00:28:09,740 the chairman I could just say we're 690 00:28:13,389 --> 00:28:11,419 cancelling the Emmys but that doesn't 691 00:28:16,509 --> 00:28:13,399 seem right you need a buy-in right you 692 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:16,519 need other people to say I'm with you on 693 00:28:22,889 --> 00:28:18,190 this because leadership is about 694 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:22,899 bringing the team together so I think 695 00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:26,210 even if there were solid reasons for 696 00:28:30,879 --> 00:28:28,820 secrecy at the beginning they seemed to 697 00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:30,889 that period of time seems to have passed 698 00:28:38,919 --> 00:28:34,119 if this is indeed one of these vexing 699 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:38,929 questions that is almost insoluble to us 700 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:41,570 to our brains right now then that means 701 00:28:46,749 --> 00:28:44,450 that a relatively small group of men and 702 00:28:48,899 --> 00:28:46,759 women are involved in it because most of 703 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:48,909 us don't know what's going on right I 704 00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:52,730 think whether it's good or bad or 705 00:28:57,970 --> 00:28:56,059 indifferent it's not going to hurt us to 706 00:29:01,180 --> 00:28:57,980 bring everybody in on it to work the 707 00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:01,190 problem if it's a problem I'd rather be 708 00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:03,320 a part of it when we had to defeat the 709 00:29:08,109 --> 00:29:05,269 Nazis in World War two we didn't we 710 00:29:09,549 --> 00:29:08,119 didn't tell the citizens now we want you 711 00:29:11,139 --> 00:29:09,559 to work on building all this stuff but 712 00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:11,149 we're not going to tell you no we 713 00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:13,580 reported the war we kept certain key 714 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:17,350 secrets to win the battle I'm not saying 715 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:20,090 disclosure means there are no secrets 716 00:29:23,289 --> 00:29:20,570 what so 717 00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:23,299 ever anymore about anything but it is 718 00:29:27,970 --> 00:29:25,700 sort of time to acknowledge some form of 719 00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:27,980 this reality so that the best minds on 720 00:29:32,049 --> 00:29:29,960 the planet not just the ones who have 721 00:29:34,509 --> 00:29:32,059 taken a security clearance oath can 722 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:34,519 actually get to work on it why would you 723 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:38,630 think at this point in time just just to 724 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:41,090 guess I know no one's gonna know but why 725 00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:43,460 the Pentagon would let this fly why 726 00:29:50,499 --> 00:29:46,100 would they let it out yeah they probably 727 00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:50,509 wouldn't my I guess my thinking is 728 00:29:57,399 --> 00:29:53,980 evolving continually on this I think it 729 00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:57,409 the way that they would let some part of 730 00:30:03,340 --> 00:29:59,330 it out is simply that there's an 731 00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:03,350 incontrovertible event okay so eight 732 00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,740 yeah two-mile hovering craft hovers over 733 00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:09,919 Chicago for three hours and everybody 734 00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:13,159 and their mother takes a photo of it the 735 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:15,320 news crews get it it's pretty hard to 736 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:17,210 deny then we're gonna have to start 737 00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:19,850 talking about it yeah okay so that's the 738 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,070 condition under which they would talk 739 00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:25,600 about it I think under normal conditions 740 00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:28,220 unless they have a slow plan that's 741 00:30:32,259 --> 00:30:30,470 picking up steam and the New York Times 742 00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:32,269 for example as part of that you're not 743 00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,759 going to see that kind of initial 744 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:36,799 official disclosure so what I think 745 00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,529 instead we have to look at is disclosure 746 00:30:45,639 --> 00:30:42,080 is us disclosing to ourselves 747 00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:45,649 your listeners you and I know certain 748 00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:48,470 facts that lead us to believe there is a 749 00:30:55,629 --> 00:30:52,220 solid reality to this thing my neighbors 750 00:30:58,899 --> 00:30:55,639 don't think about it my family isn't 751 00:31:01,289 --> 00:30:58,909 considering it right so what has to 752 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:01,299 happen is the people who know things 753 00:31:08,139 --> 00:31:05,450 need to slowly acclimate the rest of us 754 00:31:11,169 --> 00:31:08,149 okay it isn't the government acclimating 755 00:31:14,409 --> 00:31:11,179 us we need to acclimate the rest of the 756 00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,419 people and technology has devolved into 757 00:31:18,909 --> 00:31:15,919 the hands of the individual in 758 00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:18,919 extraordinary ways these days the chance 759 00:31:24,369 --> 00:31:21,649 that we can actually disclose this 760 00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:24,379 phenomenon to ourselves is stronger and 761 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:26,360 stronger every single day so when I 762 00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:28,850 reach out I say to people you know you 763 00:31:33,610 --> 00:31:32,600 want to bring about disclosure yeah if 764 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:33,620 you want to petition the government 765 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:34,310 that's 766 00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:36,650 I mean that never hurts but I would say 767 00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:39,080 find a few great UFO books that you 768 00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:40,760 think really make a strong case and buy 769 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:42,740 extra copies of them and lend them to 770 00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:45,050 your friends and say I'd like you to 771 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:46,400 read this and I'm not giving you this 772 00:31:50,170 --> 00:31:48,230 book I want it back because I have other 773 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:50,180 people I'm gonna give it to and and 774 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:53,450 instead of saying the phrase I always 775 00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:55,970 uses those of us who sort of know things 776 00:32:00,730 --> 00:31:57,500 are often treated like the drunk uncle 777 00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:00,740 at the wedding right so we need to get 778 00:32:06,430 --> 00:32:04,100 over that you know we need to not say 779 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:06,440 all the fringe stuff we need to bring 780 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,190 people in slowly and let them broaden 781 00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:11,840 themselves so that's why I've worked 782 00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:13,820 very hard to come up with that statement 783 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:16,790 about what can we say we can say that at 784 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:18,260 least some of the things flying around 785 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:20,630 in our skies are from someplace that 786 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:22,490 isn't here piloted by somebody that 787 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:25,310 isn't us that's pretty clear now if you 788 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:26,840 say that to your next-door neighbor he 789 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:28,850 may be a little concerned about talking 790 00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:31,610 about UFOs but that's not radical that's 791 00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:33,740 all that requires us saying yeah I guess 792 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:35,720 that might be true mm-hm and that's 793 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:38,750 where we start yeah yeah now as far as 794 00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:41,570 the sightings and the percentage of 795 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:44,780 people that actually report solo yeah 796 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:47,600 you know and so you just who do they 797 00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:50,090 report it to you know I didn't know I 798 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:53,150 had my sighting in 2006 who do I do 799 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:54,650 I called the police department well 800 00:32:58,180 --> 00:32:55,850 that's what I'm saying but then nobody 801 00:33:00,550 --> 00:32:58,190 actually is officially cannot collecting 802 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:00,560 all those statistics you know we used to 803 00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:02,330 have Blue Book yeah you're supposed to 804 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:04,580 call Blue Book but yeah but daddy how we 805 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:06,650 have MUFON and we do four well you could 806 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:08,300 start with them yeah but I didn't even 807 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:09,500 know they existed but they've been 808 00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:11,930 marginalized right people go well 809 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:13,280 they're just UFO Kooks 810 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:16,010 so you know the the citizen who sees 811 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:18,170 something anomalous doesn't really have 812 00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:21,020 a comfortable place to go yeah and that 813 00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:23,480 needs to change yeah yeah I mean I 814 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:25,070 actually have talked about this but I 815 00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:27,530 actually was ridiculed by the dispatcher 816 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:30,140 whoever it was not ridicule just real 817 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:31,910 sarcastic talking to me 818 00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:34,190 that's oh yeah really yes pretty 819 00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:37,670 unnecessary yeah yeah but a lot of those 820 00:33:43,870 --> 00:33:40,190 police departments do have either MUFON 821 00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:43,880 x' number or new forks sure you know and 822 00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:45,920 and i think we have reason to believe 823 00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:47,660 that in 824 00:33:53,890 --> 00:33:50,870 multiple subtle ways we are moving down 825 00:33:58,030 --> 00:33:53,900 the field yeah I feel it I feel it a 826 00:34:00,370 --> 00:33:58,040 little bit you know not I have in my you 827 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:00,380 know official of title as a professional 828 00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:02,750 fine arts and antiques it's a little 829 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:04,820 tricky for me to you know bring up the 830 00:34:08,650 --> 00:34:07,430 subject about UFOs but I actually have 831 00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:08,660 with people that I've worked with and 832 00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,020 and they they're more excited I tell you 833 00:34:16,390 --> 00:34:13,760 I've been doing the show for six years 834 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:16,400 and I have seen people a little more 835 00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:18,530 relaxed about it and I think a lot of it 836 00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:21,020 has to do with the planets being found 837 00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:24,919 you know Kepler oh for sure I because I 838 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,040 call it the Star Trek effect okay what 839 00:34:31,390 --> 00:34:30,800 would we do when we have space travel we 840 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:31,400 intended 841 00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:33,290 you know our images we're gonna get a 842 00:34:38,050 --> 00:34:35,240 giant spacecraft and we're gonna go look 843 00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:38,060 around the universe yeah okay so if we 844 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:39,830 think that's acceptable for us why 845 00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:42,410 wouldn't we think other intelligences 846 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:45,919 would do it isn't it possible that all 847 00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:48,650 intelligent life is interesting to all 848 00:34:52,990 --> 00:34:50,600 other intelligent life yeah and wouldn't 849 00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:53,000 that make a grand explanation for what's 850 00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:54,860 going on and the thing that I think is 851 00:35:01,240 --> 00:34:59,210 going to go away fastest is this the the 852 00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:01,250 two-step dance that the people like Carl 853 00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:03,470 Sagan used to do and Neil deGrasse Tyson 854 00:35:09,550 --> 00:35:07,100 do now which is listen people the 855 00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:09,560 universe is teeming with life there's 856 00:35:12,850 --> 00:35:11,390 billions and billions of planets and 857 00:35:15,850 --> 00:35:12,860 we're discovering new planets all the 858 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:15,860 time but they couldn't be here yeah okay 859 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:17,930 that's not cutting it anymore when the 860 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:20,180 New York Times article came out I saw 861 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:22,490 Neil deGrasse Tyson on CNN I saw and 862 00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:24,950 that man looked off his game he had a 863 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:27,140 number of snide remarks that he usually 864 00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:30,170 makes on the topic of UFOs but that was 865 00:35:34,510 --> 00:35:31,700 when somebody had seen a light in the 866 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:34,520 sky and he would sort of do that now he 867 00:35:39,610 --> 00:35:36,910 was facing gun camera footage of 868 00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,620 experienced pilots who we trust to fly 869 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:42,560 our nation's military aircraft you know 870 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:43,820 we're talking about it you know it was 871 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:45,050 the most shocking thing about that 872 00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:45,530 interview 873 00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:48,080 what's that is when I forget was it Don 874 00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:48,560 Lemon 875 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:52,220 I can't said to him I think he said to 876 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:53,720 him something like what do you think 877 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:55,670 about the government spending 22 million 878 00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,250 dollars and he said I think they should 879 00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:00,560 yeah it shocked me that he actually 880 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:01,460 thought 881 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:02,810 was a good idea you know it's 882 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:04,490 interesting I actually thought he 883 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:06,710 actually came to that conclusion during 884 00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:08,930 the interview I saw his mind moving 885 00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:11,270 because at the very beginning he was bet 886 00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:13,880 he has a if you study Neil deGrasse 887 00:36:18,849 --> 00:36:15,830 Tyson and interviews he has two or three 888 00:36:21,339 --> 00:36:18,859 things when this topic is yes that he 889 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:21,349 uses as deflections yeah right and I 890 00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:23,570 think he tried him and he realized they 891 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:26,420 sounded tone-deaf to the news report 892 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:28,010 that he was supposed to be reacting to 893 00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:29,960 yeah and I think he tried to get on the 894 00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,790 right side of it and frankly he's such a 895 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:34,400 bright guy I'm pretty sure that if you 896 00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:37,010 hear him now he's better and by the way 897 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:39,470 when disclosure comes the networks are 898 00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:41,450 all gonna grab Neil deGrasse Tyson and 899 00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:43,310 put him on as if he's the expert which 900 00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:44,900 is one of the things that frustrates me 901 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:47,060 more than anything just came out just an 902 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:51,609 hour or two ago Neil deGrasse Tyson and 903 00:36:59,079 --> 00:36:54,950 seth shostack discussing this just came 904 00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:59,089 out February 16th okay on national 905 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:01,130 geographic an article someone just sent 906 00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:03,410 me and they're just going at it how 907 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:05,660 crazy the whole thing is they think UFOs 908 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:08,510 if an alien came here oh that's kind of 909 00:37:14,410 --> 00:37:11,990 the title of it but seth has been Seth 910 00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:14,420 is the guy whose reputation should be in 911 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:16,270 tatters when this is all over 912 00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,050 absolutely he won't have much of a 913 00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:19,760 career left when I wish him no career 914 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:23,030 frankly I don't want him having a career 915 00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:25,250 now but after disclosure I hope he has 916 00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:27,230 shunned instead of put on every other 917 00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,280 talk show yeah yep so anyway that if you 918 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:34,400 check out the news On February 16th you 919 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:36,170 will see that article came out on 920 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:39,290 National Geographic and I will quickly 921 00:37:44,890 --> 00:37:41,660 tell you the title of that those who are 922 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:44,900 listening and it's how would we react to 923 00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,260 finding aliens that's it but see if 924 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:50,480 that's finally they're hedging their 925 00:37:55,089 --> 00:37:53,030 bets oh we're gonna get a lovely message 926 00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:55,099 from space that proves aliens are real 927 00:38:00,460 --> 00:37:57,230 well you know what great I hope we do 928 00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:00,470 but they're here now yeah okay 929 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:02,540 I'm sorry we don't have to listen to 930 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:04,460 them on a telescope we should be aware 931 00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:06,650 that they're in our skies I love the 932 00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:08,990 fact that Bigelow came out it was great 933 00:38:13,810 --> 00:38:11,750 yeah guys great all's I really like that 934 00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:13,820 yeah man go Bigelow 935 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:15,500 yeah yeah that's great team big 936 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,110 I'm on that team yeah yeah you know I 937 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,520 would like to ask you a question I'm not 938 00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:21,680 sure if you're following this at all to 939 00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:23,120 the stars Academy have you looked into 940 00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:26,360 that yeah so this a long time listening 941 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:28,790 all the way back from show number five 942 00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:31,250 or something has asked me to ask this 943 00:38:36,820 --> 00:38:33,950 question and that is do you have any 944 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:36,830 idea why the entertainment aspect is 945 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:39,530 part of this I think it's a mistake 946 00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:41,870 okay yeah I mean I have strong feelings 947 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:44,840 about it and while I think Tom DeLonge 948 00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:48,770 seems like a sincere guy and I don't 949 00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:51,110 wish to pick a fight but I do I think 950 00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:52,580 that we all have to be part of this 951 00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:53,300 discussion 952 00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:55,400 so I'll just offer my opinion yeah okay 953 00:39:00,010 --> 00:38:57,260 here's my take 954 00:39:01,890 --> 00:39:00,020 I did something similar saying we have 955 00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:01,900 to do it under the cover we have to do 956 00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,040 disclosure under the cover of fiction on 957 00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:07,040 my dark skies television series but I'm 958 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:09,560 an entertainer now okay I make 959 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:11,570 television series and movies that's what 960 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:14,210 I do I'm not saying that I know inside 961 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:16,010 knowledge if you have inside knowledge 962 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,890 and you think the best way to break it 963 00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:21,200 is through a television series that's or 964 00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:23,390 a book that's got a lot of fiction in it 965 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:26,390 I think that's the wrong idea I say to 966 00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:29,810 Tom DeLonge Tom you seem like a great 967 00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:32,150 enough guy I'd love to meet the guy I 968 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:34,070 think it would be fantastic to spend 969 00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:36,170 some time talking to him but the thing 970 00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:38,150 I'd most want to say to him and ask him 971 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:42,380 about is stop with this I'm going to do 972 00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,250 this giant tease if you know something 973 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:48,560 let it out yeah go on the record tell us 974 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:50,450 if you want to make a TV series after 975 00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:52,100 that you know I'm not telling you 976 00:39:58,090 --> 00:39:55,340 shouldn't make money but don't coat this 977 00:40:00,760 --> 00:39:58,100 TV series as saying it is the disclosure 978 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:00,770 moment no it's a it's still fiction 979 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:03,620 until you say it's not so tell me what 980 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:04,340 you know 981 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:07,610 yeah I think it I personally think it 982 00:40:13,090 --> 00:40:09,710 muddies the whole thing a bit totally 983 00:40:14,770 --> 00:40:13,100 does yeah I mean look dark skies was all 984 00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:14,780 about muddying the thing but that was 985 00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,120 its concept and it was a television 986 00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:20,480 series created by a couple of TV writers 987 00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:22,580 me and Brent Freedman that's different I 988 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:25,160 again we were not saying we have this 989 00:40:28,850 --> 00:40:26,600 inside knowledge we're gonna tell you 990 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:28,860 what the truth is tom is saying 991 00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:32,190 and that I think s that he beheld do I 992 00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:35,190 our standard yeah yep very good I 993 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:37,590 appreciate you answering that alright 994 00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:39,240 let's let's hold up your book but yes 995 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,500 let's do that 996 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:42,960 and up a little higher and that's a 997 00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:44,910 course for the people on YouTube once 998 00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,640 there was a way let's so let's talk 999 00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:49,260 about that this is the show that I do 1000 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:51,270 once a month that we talk about other 1001 00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:53,010 things other than UFOs but I do 1002 00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:55,980 appreciate I really enjoy talking UFO my 1003 00:40:59,330 --> 00:40:58,110 pleasure yeah yeah so let's well let's 1004 00:41:02,060 --> 00:40:59,340 let me just tell you a little bit about 1005 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:02,070 this book because again I have a full I 1006 00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:04,290 have a multi-dimensional life I don't do 1007 00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:06,870 just UFO things I have a lot of other 1008 00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,840 interests and you know I develop like 1009 00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:11,280 that world war ii movie that we're 1010 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,600 shooting things like that so i've got a 1011 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:13,920 let other stuff going on in my life 1012 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:16,290 among those things that i have going on 1013 00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:18,510 is a book series called break point the 1014 00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,670 first book in the series was called 1015 00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:22,320 surrounded by enemies what if Kennedy 1016 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:25,020 survived Dallas these are not okay 1017 00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:27,690 and it basically tells the story of what 1018 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:29,790 would have happened if Kennedy was shot 1019 00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:30,750 at but missed 1020 00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:31,860 well what would have happened on 1021 00:41:34,940 --> 00:41:33,600 November 23rd he'd have been in the 1022 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:34,950 White House and he and Bobby Kennedy 1023 00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:37,050 would have gotten together and said we 1024 00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:39,600 know Oswald didn't do this alone would 1025 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:41,640 who's after us and how do we fight back 1026 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:44,430 so Jack and Bobby and that book became 1027 00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,650 the first conspiracy theorist and it was 1028 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,720 so successful that it won the sidewise 1029 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:50,880 award for alternate history and a 1030 00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,130 publisher called diversion books came to 1031 00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,720 me and said we'd like you to do that 1032 00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,520 again and let's make a series out of it 1033 00:42:00,680 --> 00:41:58,560 so I thought well what's the most iconic 1034 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:00,690 that you know JFK is pretty freaking 1035 00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,850 iconic and I didn't want to do what if 1036 00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:04,680 the Civil War went differently what if 1037 00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,180 Nazis won well I didn't want to do that 1038 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,760 I wanted something that could articulate 1039 00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:12,000 our cultural issues among a certain 1040 00:42:17,330 --> 00:42:14,390 generation of the more modern generation 1041 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:17,340 so Kennedy was a natural he's the 1042 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:20,490 ultimate icon but so are the Beatles so 1043 00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:22,530 I thought I'm gonna do the Beatles which 1044 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:24,990 scared me at the time to say I'm 1045 00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:27,450 actually going to set forward and and 1046 00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:29,670 take a stab at what if the Beatles 1047 00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:32,820 stayed together but I found that to be 1048 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:37,260 endlessly fascinating and once there was 1049 00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:40,350 a way actually tell us as as if it's a 1050 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:42,390 Rolling Stone magazine kind of article 1051 00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,789 looking back on the Beatles success over 1052 00:42:49,789 --> 00:42:46,859 the last 50 years and it tells their 1053 00:42:52,009 --> 00:42:49,799 story and focusing on what I call the 1054 00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:52,019 years of maximum danger we know the 1055 00:42:57,259 --> 00:42:54,569 Beatles broke up in 69 and 70 they had 1056 00:43:00,079 --> 00:42:57,269 issues and by 70 it was all over but it 1057 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:00,089 started really in 69 in a very strong 1058 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:03,510 way of Lennon and I I tried to ask 1059 00:43:07,789 --> 00:43:05,970 myself these books are not time travel 1060 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:07,799 books they're not magic books there's no 1061 00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,690 portals or anything like that they're 1062 00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:12,000 just alternate history books that aren't 1063 00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:15,000 meant to sound and be realistic so I 1064 00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,119 asked myself what are the realistic ways 1065 00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:20,940 that the Beatles might have overcome 1066 00:43:25,789 --> 00:43:23,220 what were personal differences and 1067 00:43:27,859 --> 00:43:25,799 professional differences and stayed 1068 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:27,869 together because the truth is I'm sure 1069 00:43:31,579 --> 00:43:29,849 you and your listeners have personal and 1070 00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:31,589 professional differences with people and 1071 00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:34,589 you don't break up all the time you work 1072 00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:37,740 them out yeah many people do so I really 1073 00:43:41,539 --> 00:43:39,180 tried to create a world where this could 1074 00:43:44,269 --> 00:43:41,549 happen and boy did it blow open into a 1075 00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,279 great fascinating world so I focus on 1076 00:43:50,029 --> 00:43:47,400 the years I call a maximum danger where 1077 00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:50,039 in our timeline they broke up in 1970 I 1078 00:43:56,749 --> 00:43:53,430 focus on 70 through 75 and tell that 1079 00:43:59,960 --> 00:43:56,759 story where these guys managed to keep 1080 00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:59,970 their friendship still alive and the 1081 00:44:05,299 --> 00:44:02,940 bonds that had kept them together strong 1082 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:05,309 enough to overcome what would still be 1083 00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:08,250 very difficult challenging times for 1084 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,230 them I wonder if there was any I know 1085 00:44:17,539 --> 00:44:15,180 they've tried to get them back together 1086 00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:17,549 you know that was a big goal in this and 1087 00:44:20,749 --> 00:44:19,079 there was just like no money that could 1088 00:44:25,279 --> 00:44:20,759 do it obvious no money couldn't do it 1089 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:25,289 and a oh and I'm I'm trying to find a 1090 00:44:29,299 --> 00:44:27,690 way to enter that debate earlier that 1091 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,309 was people after they were seriously 1092 00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:30,900 broken up trying to get them together 1093 00:44:34,579 --> 00:44:33,089 for a one-off or whatever and those 1094 00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:34,589 stories are well-known to Beatles fans 1095 00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,500 yeah I just thought I'm gonna do 1096 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:39,359 something I've not read before and quite 1097 00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,210 often when I've written screenplays on 1098 00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:45,240 spec or books it's the book I wanted to 1099 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:47,339 read and I couldn't find it so I wrote 1100 00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:49,410 it I did that with AD after disclosure 1101 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:51,299 certainly was surrounded by enemies and 1102 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:53,609 now with once there was away I just 1103 00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:55,049 wanted to put one thing out because 1104 00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:56,790 people always ask 1105 00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,150 we've built a pretty solid website to 1106 00:45:03,830 --> 00:45:02,160 show people what this concept is all 1107 00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:03,840 about and it's it's very simple to 1108 00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,540 remember is simply what if Beatles comm 1109 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:08,640 so you can remember what if Beatles 1110 00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,770 what if Beatles calm and for people that 1111 00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:12,599 actually just want to you know buy the 1112 00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,990 ticket and take the ride then they can 1113 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:18,359 get it on Amazon at Amazon Beatles calm 1114 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:22,050 and we've even done a video of the 1115 00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:25,170 Beatles playing together in 1971 at 1116 00:45:30,070 --> 00:45:27,630 George Harrison's house on a brand new 1117 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,080 Beatle song that we had made for this 1118 00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:32,400 marketing and it's called more Beatles 1119 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:34,500 calm so the you got three what-if 1120 00:45:40,099 --> 00:45:37,950 Beatles calm more Beatles calm Amazon 1121 00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:40,109 Beatles calm so and by the way I was 1122 00:45:44,780 --> 00:45:41,849 pretty shocked that you can still buy a 1123 00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:44,790 URL called Amazon Beatles calm yeah that 1124 00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,070 was insane so I was happy about that and 1125 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:50,640 I I've just enjoyed the process of 1126 00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:52,650 talking to people about this and you 1127 00:45:59,839 --> 00:45:55,619 know what what's so gratifying to me as 1128 00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,849 an author is the comments on Amazon and 1129 00:46:04,099 --> 00:46:01,740 on other locations have been so 1130 00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,109 uniformly positive and the thing that 1131 00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,000 people seem to be responding to that 1132 00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:07,980 really warms my heart if you will is 1133 00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,740 that they it's this is something we all 1134 00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:12,420 kind of wished could have happened you 1135 00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,980 mean the Rolling Stones are still plans 1136 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:15,839 rather so why couldn't the Beatles have 1137 00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,050 been still playing together right so 1138 00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:20,640 people are responding by saying it gave 1139 00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,550 me a chance to spend a few hours in a 1140 00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,380 world where they stayed together and you 1141 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,940 know we live in a world of Trump and 1142 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:28,859 dissension and everything so here's a 1143 00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,330 chance to think about the Beatles and 1144 00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:32,940 and they just really found it 1145 00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:36,510 interesting now I will say this this is 1146 00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:38,070 not all champagne and roses 1147 00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:39,750 yeah and they had to get through all 1148 00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:42,180 them oh yeah I mean I'm a dramatist at 1149 00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:44,190 heart I don't write I don't write 1150 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:47,190 stories without conflict and the Beatles 1151 00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:49,770 story has lots of conflict so what I've 1152 00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:52,859 done with my drama is try to find some 1153 00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:56,430 interest incredible realistic ways that 1154 00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,140 they could have resolved their conflicts 1155 00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,010 okö Yoko Yoko I'm sorry 1156 00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,720 Yoko boy I'm gonna get bashed for that 1157 00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:09,000 one yeah you know we all have brain 1158 00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:10,180 farts like that once 1159 00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:13,300 while yeah so Yoko was a part of it 1160 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:18,190 right and well you you've just raised 1161 00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:20,530 the the $64,000 question though because 1162 00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:23,380 if you ask most people they'd say Yoko 1163 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,900 Ono you know broke up the Beatles now 1164 00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:27,760 Paul McCartney says that's not true but 1165 00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:30,790 most most fans tend to lay that at 1166 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:33,100 Yoko's feet so I knew that the most 1167 00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:35,050 important thing this book had to do is 1168 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:40,240 treat the Yoko dissention in a credible 1169 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:43,390 way and to find a way where not only 1170 00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:46,890 could Yoko and John have found a way to 1171 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:50,140 modify slightly to keep things going 1172 00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:52,630 that that but the other Beatles could 1173 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:55,990 find a way to accept that John was not 1174 00:47:59,550 --> 00:47:57,430 going to be part of any group that 1175 00:48:01,770 --> 00:47:59,560 didn't have something to do with Yoko 1176 00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,780 right everybody had to give a little bit 1177 00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:04,240 it's sort of like when you make a deal 1178 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:07,900 in Hollywood right now the idea is it's 1179 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:09,910 only a good deal if both parties hate it 1180 00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:11,740 and then you know you made a good deal 1181 00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:14,470 right so I tried to apply that a little 1182 00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:17,100 bit to the Beatles that you know 1183 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:19,780 nobody's happy you know they're not 1184 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:21,370 against champagne and rutan now that 1185 00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:23,410 didn't happen in this book nobody's 1186 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:24,070 happy 1187 00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:28,360 everybody is just seeing the larger 1188 00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:31,420 issue and and without going on too much 1189 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:32,950 and just give a couple of things that 1190 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:35,290 are not really spoilers to me but people 1191 00:48:38,910 --> 00:48:37,330 do not know that the Beatles almost 1192 00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:38,920 starred in Lord of the Rings in the 1193 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:41,500 early 70s and so in this book for 1194 00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:45,370 example the Beatles actually star in the 1195 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:46,990 Lord of the Rings directed by Stanley 1196 00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:49,090 Kubrick something that almost happened 1197 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:51,430 I'm not making this up you can check it 1198 00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:55,570 out and McCartney has even told Peter 1199 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:00,160 Jackson the same so what I tried to look 1200 00:49:07,710 --> 00:49:02,170 for were things like that excuse me and 1201 00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,720 other things where you could say certain 1202 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:09,280 things prevent you from announcing a 1203 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:12,490 breakup right even even the Beatles when 1204 00:49:17,730 --> 00:49:14,170 Lennon tried to get out in our timeline 1205 00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:17,740 in the late 69 they said please we got 1206 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:19,120 other you know we're making a deal with 1207 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:22,030 four different royalties can't just sit 1208 00:49:24,089 --> 00:49:23,050 on this for a while 1209 00:49:26,849 --> 00:49:24,099 so he did 1210 00:49:28,979 --> 00:49:26,859 okay so there's already precedent so if 1211 00:49:31,859 --> 00:49:28,989 you're making a movie you need to 1212 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:31,869 publicize it well it's certainly not 1213 00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:34,630 going to be accepted by the studio that 1214 00:49:38,849 --> 00:49:36,190 you're publicizing a movie while you're 1215 00:49:41,009 --> 00:49:38,859 breaking up right so I tried to find 1216 00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:41,019 little elements like that and also that 1217 00:49:46,709 --> 00:49:44,049 we're fun The Beatles did not play at 1218 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:46,719 Woodstock in our timeframe right but 1219 00:49:50,459 --> 00:49:49,569 they were invited they were invited they 1220 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:50,469 could have done it 1221 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:52,930 they were busy recording Abbey Road they 1222 00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:55,390 could have practiced a few songs and got 1223 00:49:59,759 --> 00:49:57,160 on a plane and gone to Woodstock well 1224 00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,769 they do in this book and in fact there's 1225 00:50:04,439 --> 00:50:02,079 there's things that happen in the in the 1226 00:50:06,809 --> 00:50:04,449 timestream is a consequence you think 1227 00:50:08,219 --> 00:50:06,819 about it sure in this book once there 1228 00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:08,229 was a way the Beatles do play at 1229 00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:10,180 Woodstock but because it's so out of 1230 00:50:13,799 --> 00:50:11,769 control it would have to be Attica they 1231 00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:13,809 almost get killed yeah by the crowd 1232 00:50:17,549 --> 00:50:16,150 sighs the surging crowd and it comes 1233 00:50:20,189 --> 00:50:17,559 close to killing them well what does 1234 00:50:21,989 --> 00:50:20,199 that do to them it makes them say we 1235 00:50:24,569 --> 00:50:21,999 have to pay a lot more attention to 1236 00:50:26,939 --> 00:50:24,579 security if we're gonna continue to show 1237 00:50:29,759 --> 00:50:26,949 up at places we have to pay some 1238 00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:29,769 attention to this right and so what 1239 00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:31,299 would that mean well it would mean going 1240 00:50:36,539 --> 00:50:33,849 forward that John Lennon if he was 1241 00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:36,549 living in the Dakota with Yoko would not 1242 00:50:41,009 --> 00:50:39,190 be signing autographs outside of it he 1243 00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:41,019 would know that he needs to pay 1244 00:50:45,479 --> 00:50:42,660 attention he would have had security 1245 00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:45,489 driven into his brain and instead of 1246 00:50:48,359 --> 00:50:46,390 sitting out front 1247 00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:48,369 signing out of grass he'd had driven his 1248 00:50:53,099 --> 00:50:51,069 car into the garage yeah right so I 1249 00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:53,109 tried to deal with things like that work 1250 00:50:56,999 --> 00:50:56,140 it's not outrageous yeah that to think 1251 00:50:58,859 --> 00:50:57,009 that that could happen 1252 00:51:01,650 --> 00:50:58,869 it doesn't involve some guy who came 1253 00:51:03,209 --> 00:51:01,660 from the future right it's just how it 1254 00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:03,219 could have gone down right 1255 00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:05,049 so we'd have John Lennon today wouldn't 1256 00:51:09,029 --> 00:51:06,940 that be a different world well he might 1257 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:09,039 still be dead by now natural causes 1258 00:51:14,099 --> 00:51:11,829 those what I did also with the book and 1259 00:51:17,279 --> 00:51:14,109 some fans get this some some don't of 1260 00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,289 course but I tried to say things that 1261 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:19,119 were within the ability to change could 1262 00:51:25,229 --> 00:51:21,249 change but certain things like your 1263 00:51:27,390 --> 00:51:25,239 physical your physical illness stuff 1264 00:51:30,269 --> 00:51:27,400 Harry you know George Harrison died 1265 00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:30,279 because for the reasons that we know 1266 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,709 right and I think it would be unlikely 1267 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:35,680 for me to change that John Lennon was 1268 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:37,600 murdered that can be changed 1269 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:40,570 all right so and and Linda McCartney 1270 00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:42,910 died of cancer you know that doesn't 1271 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:44,380 change just because I'm in an 1272 00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:46,660 alternative universe or it shouldn't 1273 00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:49,030 change in my view so I tried to keep I 1274 00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:51,790 just tried to keep it grounded grounded 1275 00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:56,260 is the word now before 1970 had Linda 1276 00:52:01,770 --> 00:51:59,290 and and Paul already met yo yeah so they 1277 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:01,780 can't remember in fact this is what one 1278 00:52:05,850 --> 00:52:03,370 of the great things of all time that 1279 00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:05,860 I've dealt with I started the changing 1280 00:52:11,250 --> 00:52:08,800 arrow of history in 1968 in this book I 1281 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:11,260 didn't wait and do it at the 1970 Break 1282 00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:13,510 I started it earlier for example you 1283 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:16,960 bring up Paul and Linda met each other 1284 00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:20,320 much earlier but they married in 1969 1285 00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:22,840 March of 69 and guess what one week 1286 00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,510 later John and Yoko got married alright 1287 00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:27,280 now here's the thing that'll blow your 1288 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,700 mind 1289 00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,160 none of the Beatles attending attended 1290 00:52:35,850 --> 00:52:33,280 the other guy's wedding okay so John 1291 00:52:38,850 --> 00:52:35,860 didn't go to Paul Paul didn't go to John 1292 00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:38,860 I come up with the scenario in this book 1293 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:41,260 where they would find it important to go 1294 00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:43,570 to each other's weddings and you know 1295 00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:46,180 that could change a man yeah if you're 1296 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:48,100 there with your best friend you know 1297 00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:50,170 even if you're having a hell of a fight 1298 00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:51,880 with them but you go to his wedding 1299 00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:54,100 you're gonna feel differently about 1300 00:53:01,110 --> 00:52:58,030 things so and here's if we have time to 1301 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:01,120 real quick storyline or the book starts 1302 00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,310 in 1968 and in 1968 for real in our 1303 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:09,040 timeframe Paul and John even though they 1304 00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:10,930 weren't getting along got on a plane 1305 00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:13,780 flew to New York City to announce and 1306 00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:17,560 promote Apple their new company okay so 1307 00:53:22,050 --> 00:53:19,270 they get there and they get booked on 1308 00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:22,060 The Tonight Show Johnny Carson's out of 1309 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:23,740 town and they end up doing the Tonight 1310 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:27,970 Show John and Paul 1968 April they end 1311 00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:29,350 up doing the Tonight Show with Joe 1312 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:31,780 Garagiola as the host and Tallulah 1313 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:33,850 Bankhead is the drunken guest that night 1314 00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:36,970 that Tallulah kind of heckled them and 1315 00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:38,680 and Joe Garagiola it was kind of 1316 00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:41,140 clueless about anything Beatles and they 1317 00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:42,760 didn't have a good time so it didn't 1318 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:46,240 really help in any way here's what 1319 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:49,210 happens in the book same thing get on 1320 00:53:51,089 --> 00:53:49,810 the plane 1321 00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,099 show up but 1322 00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:53,440 first arrow of history diverts when they 1323 00:53:57,180 --> 00:53:55,150 come to tell the Beatles in their hotel 1324 00:53:59,219 --> 00:53:57,190 room John and Paul that guess what 1325 00:54:02,729 --> 00:53:59,229 Johnny Carson's not going to be here we 1326 00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:02,739 got a guest host tonight and and Lennon 1327 00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:06,329 says well if that I'm not coming 1328 00:54:11,609 --> 00:54:09,369 so they panic and they called Johnny 1329 00:54:13,979 --> 00:54:11,619 Carson who's actually doing a comedy 1330 00:54:15,299 --> 00:54:13,989 show in New Jersey not far away and say 1331 00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:15,309 the Beatles aren't going to show up 1332 00:54:20,430 --> 00:54:18,609 unless you show up and Carson says he's 1333 00:54:22,469 --> 00:54:20,440 not happy about this he doesn't like 1334 00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:22,479 being dictated on his own show but he 1335 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:24,369 does know it get when he gets one which 1336 00:54:28,979 --> 00:54:26,890 is John and Paul would be a really big 1337 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:28,989 deal for his show so he agrees to come 1338 00:54:34,049 --> 00:54:31,660 back on one condition that they that 1339 00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:34,059 they do the entire show and they sing a 1340 00:54:39,479 --> 00:54:36,549 few songs alright and so what ends up 1341 00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:39,489 happening is the Beatles have the least 1342 00:54:43,259 --> 00:54:41,079 John and Paul have one of the world's 1343 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:43,269 best times together and they end up 1344 00:54:49,319 --> 00:54:45,729 going out drinking afterwards with Ed 1345 00:54:51,809 --> 00:54:49,329 McMahon and Johnny Carson okay so that's 1346 00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:51,819 that's the how a little tiny thing can 1347 00:54:56,819 --> 00:54:54,670 just kind of expand outward and turn 1348 00:54:59,609 --> 00:54:56,829 into a kind of a joyous experience yeah 1349 00:55:00,959 --> 00:54:59,619 and so I you know I hope I hope that 1350 00:55:03,569 --> 00:55:00,969 some of your listeners will give the 1351 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:03,579 book a try and you know I certainly 1352 00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,890 tried to write it with respect for fans 1353 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:08,559 but also for people that don't know much 1354 00:55:12,359 --> 00:55:10,690 about the Beatles and close with this 1355 00:55:13,979 --> 00:55:12,369 the highest compliment I keep getting 1356 00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:13,989 from it is people go I had to keep 1357 00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,619 stopping and and checking you know what 1358 00:55:21,569 --> 00:55:19,359 really happened because it all sounded 1359 00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:21,579 so real that I didn't know what was true 1360 00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,539 and what wasn't 1361 00:55:27,089 --> 00:55:24,640 that is a compliment just one last 1362 00:55:29,789 --> 00:55:27,099 question you're right we are at the end 1363 00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:29,799 here what type of friendships did they 1364 00:55:33,749 --> 00:55:31,900 have before the problems happened I mean 1365 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:33,759 were they're very close oh yeah I mean 1366 00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:36,130 think about it in the in the late 50s 1367 00:55:40,349 --> 00:55:38,440 early 60s before they became the 1368 00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:40,359 worldwide phenomenon that they were 1369 00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:43,390 these guys were living together and 1370 00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:47,440 literally in in some of their gigs when 1371 00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:49,390 they were in Germany they had this tiny 1372 00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:50,950 room that all four of them would share 1373 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:53,049 and and they'd have to sleep but two of 1374 00:55:56,370 --> 00:55:54,249 them would sleep in the same bed 1375 00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:56,380 head-to-toe right I mean that's how 1376 00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,150 close they were they did everything 1377 00:56:02,219 --> 00:55:59,920 together and they were inseparable 1378 00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:02,229 friends and they adored each other at 1379 00:56:06,450 --> 00:56:04,600 that time they were just they were 1380 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:06,460 you know they were tough guys they were 1381 00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,990 wearing leather back then and they were 1382 00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:10,000 having a good time but they were 1383 00:56:16,650 --> 00:56:11,860 learning music but they were with their 1384 00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:16,660 their bros and and so they always worked 1385 00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:18,460 together John and Paulin particularly 1386 00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:22,540 were very close and and and we're close 1387 00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:23,710 from the beginning I mean those guys 1388 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:25,180 were riding together from the beginning 1389 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:28,570 and it wasn't really and they stayed 1390 00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:31,210 close and even when they were fighting 1391 00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:34,660 they were still close but yeah but with 1392 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:37,060 problems as we all have with close 1393 00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:40,090 friends from time to time so they had 1394 00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:43,240 every reason to be able to find a basis 1395 00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:44,950 for friendship buried in the friendship 1396 00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:47,500 that they'd had very few people in the 1397 00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:50,560 world well in fact nobody know let's 1398 00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:52,750 just say that nobody in the world had 1399 00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:54,310 the experience that the Beatles had 1400 00:56:59,370 --> 00:56:56,140 together they got to the place where 1401 00:57:01,410 --> 00:56:59,380 they had to hang with each other and and 1402 00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:01,420 support each other and have each other's 1403 00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:03,340 back because nobody else would and 1404 00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:06,040 nobody else was was capable of 1405 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:07,990 understanding the experience that they 1406 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:10,030 were having that's right there used to 1407 00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,810 be an ad on the TV years ago that said 1408 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:16,000 they'll never be another group quite 1409 00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:19,330 like the Beatles that's I you know what 1410 00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:21,400 and and probably back then some people 1411 00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,230 heard it and said yeah right yeah but 1412 00:57:27,060 --> 00:57:24,880 guess what it turned out to be true 1413 00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:27,070 that's right your website one more time 1414 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:27,820 okay 1415 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:30,250 the main one is what if Beatles calm and 1416 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:32,560 then if you want to see the video it's 1417 00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:34,360 more Beatles calm and if you want to buy 1418 00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:36,910 the book it's Amazon Beatles calm all 1419 00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:39,070 right excellent thank you this has been 1420 00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:41,110 so much fun I just enjoyed it 1421 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:43,180 same here all right thank you alright 1422 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:45,370 that's it for the show thanks so much 1423 00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:48,610 for listening and we'll be back next 1424 00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:51,880 week with two guests on at the same time 1425 00:57:58,410 --> 00:57:55,660 Derek Gilbert and Josh Peck they've 1426 00:58:00,510 --> 00:57:58,420 written a couple books one is the most 1427 00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:00,520 recent one is called the earth or earth 1428 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:04,870 stands still old gods behind ETS and 1429 00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:07,450 UFOs it's going to be a great show I 1430 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:09,790 just have a gut feeling about that so 1431 00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:12,010 we'll be back at the regular time and if 1432 00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:13,860 you support the show thanks so much 1433 00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:16,180 remember anyone can do that 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